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Post by MFB on Jun 18, 2005 23:03:27 GMT -5
So...nomination then voting?
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Post by K*doom*ELF on Jun 18, 2005 23:06:15 GMT -5
well, maybe.... EXPLINATION of WHY we want this, or why OTHERS want this.... then possible nomination, then voting... but i propose we leave THIS particular topic till monday... after which iwill have time to talk to cy, spaz, and silver, in that order, and pm MFB somewhere in any possible free tym i get...
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Post by Spazzy on Jun 19, 2005 9:16:21 GMT -5
Yea because that would be totally unfair MFB! I am on all the time.. I am on here 24/7.. I am here when there is no one on here and I am all by myself.. You can't just nominate someone...
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 19, 2005 10:01:28 GMT -5
Actually, Spaz, it would be right for him to nominate someone. However it would be better if the majority agreed to it and actually knew what was going on. Therefore, THE will be talking to both Cy, yourself, and myself during this weekend and tomorrow. She is also going to PM MFB and I suppose the other members will also have to find out what is going on via PM. Then we will be able to commence with the voting and nominations after majority agrees.
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Post by Spazzy on Jun 19, 2005 11:49:44 GMT -5
Okay, well maybe your right.. But, it wouldn't be fair if u nominated only.. What about other people??
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Post by kanedbydemons on Jun 20, 2005 7:04:32 GMT -5
I'm a little... confused. What is this about a person without a title?
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Post by Spazzy on Jun 20, 2005 13:11:23 GMT -5
Oh, it will get addressed soon.. When it gets addressed, then you will understand KBD..
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Post by zzz + KBD on Jun 20, 2005 15:41:42 GMT -5
KBD: oooooookay...
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 21, 2005 20:30:24 GMT -5
I may finally have some time to write up a few things.
First and foremost, as some of you realize, there has been some tension these past few days. Some of you may not have noticed and that is ok, but for those who have been involved, it seems the tension has died down a bit. Now perhaps we can get to sorting things out.
A question as to a number of posts posted on ESPS had been brought up. Many of you know my stand on this. I think there should be more posts and instead of trying to bring up old posts, we should make new ones and let the old rest. Very often I see posts getting too long and then it is a hassle to go through and read everything. I think for each topic we should make a new post and then we will have much more to choose from, instead of the same old posts, over and over again until they eventually lose their original purpose.
A question of a Council leader has also been brought up. I believe this council needs to be represented by a member, not by a staff member. The leader can then bring the suggestions to the admins and G-mods and they can work together to make things happen. I think this would be better so that the admins and G-mods don't have to constantly be bombarded with PMs filled with ideas from different members. Instead one person will deal with the member's requests and in turn the admins will only need to deal with one person. The council leader would be more of a type of representation, rather than a actual leader. They would be the representation of the general members.
I am sure there are mor ethings that need to be addressed and in time I'm sure they will be. Anyone else, please feel free to add to what I have already said and also to discuss what I have already said.
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Post by K*doom*ELF on Jun 21, 2005 20:37:45 GMT -5
**has never felt bombarded, but eh...**
um there was some taalk about leadership amongst cy and myself about this, and im sure cy would like to say some stuff, and if i can remember what we said then we need to tell MFB as well, and post the stuff here... so i propose we hold out on that for just a little while longer.
as for the old post/ new post thingy, i saw a few mentions of it, but im not really sure i understand what y'alll mean... so...
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 21, 2005 20:58:49 GMT -5
THE, can you fill me in on what was said about the leader? Since it was my idea, I think I should be able to know what is going on with that.
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Post by MFB on Jun 21, 2005 23:15:21 GMT -5
That is up to the members. If you request to make "Talk talk talk 2" then that'd be a different subject. People may post as they will. No one will stop them.
As far as a leader, I'm so fed up with all this talk about power that I don't give poodoo about it. Do whatever, and leave me out of it.
And if this whole ordeal is not solved now, it will come back. And by "whole ordeal," I mean the Admin/G-Mod argument. "Do, or do not. There is no try." I'm tired of being insulted. I'm tired of fighting. I'm tired of ranks. I'm tired of not being part of "the people." End it now.
And if it's not ended, there are other better things I can do with my life than hang around a time bomb waiting to happen. It takes two clicks to delete my account. Only two.
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Post by jimbo on Jun 22, 2005 11:37:15 GMT -5
Well said MFB, well said.
Please don't leave.
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Post by Cy Skywalker on Jun 22, 2005 12:48:45 GMT -5
... well, adressing Silver, who brought up stuff without context; I think posts and post length does not need to be regulated. If people keep posting on the long ones, than that's what they want to do. If they don't, then that's because there's nothing interesting going on there, and it can be let to drift away. If people wanna keep making new threads, then they can do that to. Whatever. I don't now see why that has to be an issue.
For a council leader, than a non-admin would be a good thing for all the reasons Silver said. All this leader would do is tally up votes after a certain period of time, probably after people stopped voting on that issue because that means they all have, and give suggestions based on those votes to the admins who can do something about it.
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 22, 2005 14:28:25 GMT -5
Am I missing something here?
Either I have been given wrong information or people are going to the extremes.
MFB, if you think leaving is the best thing, then so be it. That is your descision. I may not understand it, but I respect your descision.
Just remember, it takes all of us the same amount of clicks to delete our accounts. This is for everyone to remember.
MFB, you are part of the staff of this site. Certain responsibilities come with that position. Certain negative responsibilities come with that position. Just remember YOU decided to take the position. I may sound mean here, but I am being blunt. I'm only telling the truth the way I see it. Besides, you make it sound as if all the members have insulted you. I have tried to go about this privately. I did contact THE privately about my requests (whether or not you know what those were I do not know) but when I saw people complaining about the jobs they have, or giving out jobs and not being happy about it I became upset.
What annoys me the most is there is a lot of stuff that can be done by members and none of the staff seems to want the help. If you want to take care of things by yourselves, so be it. It isn't really our individual loss, but the site in it's entirety.
You know what, I'm tired of trying to do things. You all do it yourselves. I will not set foot in the mod/g-mod/admin/council discussions and boards ever again. We will see where things go from there. If this is what will make people happy, if this is what will make you happy MFB, then I will leave this part of the board.
Have fun running things yourselves, without help from "the general people".
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Post by Spazzy on Jun 22, 2005 14:38:16 GMT -5
Very well said Silver.. I believe Silver is right.. We want to help you but, it seems as what we say is not important and goes through one ear and omes out the other.. There are so many ideas that are for the site but no one does anything.. We want to help and if you don't let us than, fine.. It is your loss not ours.. I feel like everyone can contribute something and no one makes what we say seem important.. You seem to just blow it off.. I have been reasoning with myself about whether or not I should delete myself.. You are right MFB two clicks and your gone.. Well, if something doesn't happen soon, that is what I am going to do.. I will also take my other alias off and ask Eternaldarkness too.. It isn't right that you can blow us members off just because we have great ideas..
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Post by K*doom*ELF on Jun 22, 2005 15:29:46 GMT -5
WOWAH! when i asked mfb to help me with headers, i was gonna de-g-mod when done, but i thought he did a nice job, and he gave me several suggestions from UNADMIN people that he thought would help the site... like a rep of you guys! so i asked him to stay a g-mod!!! <<or thats at least how i thought things went down>> so he was kindof the rep that you guys now want! if you want more then... i dont know, we can continue discussing this furrther, but... anyways-- ESPS has been around for a long time, whether or not youve been around here the whole time or are new! its been getting along just fine i thought, a little slow maybe, and not the most technilogically advanced-- but thats not what esps is about!!! as long as we can communicate efficiently <<which was the ORIGIONAL purpose of the site>> then i think slow is better! "slow and steady wins the race" im working on some suggestions that spaz gave me, theyll be up in no time, i have another window open as we speak, working on one of the ideas...
as fer posts: since i only wanted esps to be a place where people could talk freely amongst themselves, and not be afraid of being random insane and weird, i dont think there should be any length, or topic, regulaations. if you dont like reading a lot or rereading stuff, then dont! go to a different thread/ board, what ever youd like.
as fer people leaving: If youd really like to leave i cant stop you... well i kinda can but only technology wise... ANYWAY, click count doesnt matter... i love everone here and talking with everyone, if i cant talk here with people cause of POLITICSL, and TECHNILOGICAL reasons, then this ESP Base isnt what i want it to be. and i dont know what id do. If youre tat set on leaving that youd delete our account then, you dont enjoy being here, if you dont enjoy being here then the purpose of "here" is lost, and maybe you should go... i have diffenet means of talking to people, but spose other people enjoy talking to others but can ONLY thro here, then i feel bad that theyd have to suffer through loss of other accounts. I care about y'all and pleez dont DELETE yourselves for cryin out loud! just dont come on as often, maybe only everyonce in a while to talk... instead of all the time... idk
ESPS IS NOT POLITICAL nor is it based upon technology
i cant stress this enoguh. i didnt mean for this to be some huge, complicated process... just a hangout place where people with similar interests can talk freely.
that is all i have to say at the moment about this, i will be PMing a multitude of people, and people are WELCOME to send a multitude of PMs to me, i dont mind, its the summer, i have TOO MUCH time, so dont worry about taking up my time, now is pazt anyway...
see that! that was an inside joke! created by esps, thats all i want, jsut a place where we can talk about random stuff, have fun, create jokes and cursees, things that make reality better... i dont know what the home lives of people are, i come to ESPS to GET AWAY from reality, and politics, and technology... but y'all are bringing the real world here too, and I for one am getting upset, that THIS is what we end up discussing in a council of ESPS... an ESP council should be discussing things like ne RPs and such not weather people should become leaders, not about leaving, not about making the site more advanced...
I AM SORRY if this is offensive, or rude sounding, but im being blunt and honest, cuz these are my innermost feelings.
if the topics above REALLY MATTER to you guys, go and get YOUSELVES a forum where you can talk about leaders and tecchnology... and admin as you pleez... if theres just as much talk there as there is her enow about rankings, i doubt ill be ther much...
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Post by Spazzy on Jun 22, 2005 16:30:29 GMT -5
WOWAH! when i asked mfb to help me with headers, i was gonna de-g-mod when done, but i thought he did a nice job, and he gave me several suggestions from UNADMIN people that he thought would help the site... like a rep of you guys! so i asked him to stay a g-mod!!! <<or thats at least how i thought things went down>> so he was kindof the rep that you guys now want! if you want more then... i dont know, we can continue discussing this furrther, but... This is very interesting THE.. I see that you think some are incapable of working with the site.. Nice job.. Ya know.. I feel as if what you said /\ means you don't think anyone here can work with stuff on here and you three are the best and know everything.. I see how this is.. So, minimize everyone else on this site and u have the big overpowerful people.. Just randomly taking someone and giving them power doesn't mean squat.. It was rude of you to atumatically assume that this person would be the best to "represent" us.. You can't just go up and get a rep and ASSUME that is what we want.. We want a chance to voice our opinions and ask for someone to really represent us.. MFB, if you want to, then leave.. It is your choice not ours.. People will miss you and be very upset if you leave but, you can go.. This dispute we are having is nothing compared to what lies there in REALITY.. Yes, I said it.. If you decide to leave then, I wish you the best of luck in the road that lies ahead of you..
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Post by MFB on Jun 22, 2005 23:14:05 GMT -5
Why do you all ignore the only thing of major importance in that post? Solve this argument!
I'm not going anywhere unless this isn't solved.
Of course that's the truth. I know all that. Then will you stop making my job harder? Each time someone says that MFB isn't part of "the people," it hurts me deeply. I do all this work to help your site...I've found codes, I've found smileys, I've made skins, I've obeys the admins, I've taken your requests; I'VE HELPED EVERY MEMBER ON THIS SITE! Most of you understand this and accept it, but then others treat it like nothing and think they can do better!
And all my work FOR THE PEOPLE, all the Admin's work FOR THE PEOPLE; this means we aren't PART of "the people"? If this is what you think, just who are "the people," anyways? I don't see anyone complaining about the way the site runs but you and Spaz.
Do you REALLY think you can do "better," or do you mean you can do things more your way? If you really think this is it, then request to be a G-Mod! If that will solve this, then go for it! In fact, I recommend this as the solution. Please, I beg of you, admins, we need some action here.
THE, even though you made a goop post, and you are more than true, this needs to be addressed, not avoided.
Maybe it's time for me to step down? (Please...) Let someone else be G-Mod? Even maybe a temporary G-Mod "trial"? If this will solve this, I'm all for it.
Please people, make some suggestions! Spaz, Silver, you two especially. What do you want? Be honest! Please!
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Post by Spazzy on Jun 23, 2005 9:50:07 GMT -5
Real nice MFB.. You are trying to blame me for all this confusion and disuturbance.. I simply said my opinion and everything gets turned upside down! I understand that you are trying to help us but we want to help and most of you are never on.. I guess I am just asking to have a little bit of power just so I can help the site.. I don't want full powers at all.. MFB kep ur powers because you are good at what you do and you hav fun doing it.. I think what I suggest for the site isn't important that much.. It is okay.. I will back off MFB.. I just won't come on that often.. I am tired of the arguments... I just want everyone to be friends again.. I have to go before I start to cry...
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