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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Dec 18, 2004 10:03:43 GMT -5
Now we're talking in reality here, but wut's ur take on estraterrestrialss? Do u believe, or do u not? How do u think they are, smarter, or less advanced then us? Do u believe in UFO sightings? What's ur take on bigfoot...ok, well maybe not that question, but I'd like to start a discussion on this topic, so anything about ETs put it here. Me personally, I think they exist. I mean they would have to if the universe is really as big as they say it is. I've seen my share of strange things in the sky. I guess there would be a lot of different aliens on different planets, but If it is true that what we are seeing is UFOs then at least one has to be more advanced. I do however, think the government has a lot to do with what we see in the sky. They've covered up so much extraterrestrial evidence that it makes me sick  . I don't really trust the government though. They seem to know things we don't. Uh-oh, I just realized, my dad works for the government! OH NO! Have I been living one giant conspiracy??! Ok that was random.... So now for ur views.... |
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Post by Cy Skywalker on Dec 18, 2004 11:15:40 GMT -5
Very interesting. I think you're dad actually rescued you from Area51 when you were hatched...ask him about it sometime. In reality, I don't really know. From an evolutional standpoint it makes sense that other intelligences would arise (depending on how you define intelligence) and from a religious standpoint it would seem we are, probably, the only species. Though that can be debated. Aliens are useful to stories so I use them. Statistics wise the Drake equation, well I can't remember exaclty what it says right now, but on average there are about a one million species in the enitre universe. Of course we don't yet know how large the universe is, so that could be way wrong. A habitable planet is rare, one with life if, of course, is as of yet unique.
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Post by Spazzy on Dec 18, 2004 20:17:58 GMT -5
I don't believe in UFO's... I mean if there were really UFO's then, the government wouldn't be able to control it and it would be all over the news... If there were UFO's then, maybe i would believe it but, for now i am leaning as a no....
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Post by Cy Skywalker on Dec 19, 2004 7:49:51 GMT -5
but the government could know about it, and be hiding it from the general public.
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Post by Spazzy on Dec 19, 2004 10:53:04 GMT -5
Cy, that is what you believe.... Not me...
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Post by Cy Skywalker on Dec 19, 2004 14:46:59 GMT -5
welll that's what we're talkin about here, belief! by saying that i don't mean you're wrong. it's just another idea.
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Post by Spazzy on Dec 24, 2004 17:01:40 GMT -5
I understand... COme back to me in a few years and ask me if i believe in extraterrestrials.... i might have a different answer for you... ;D
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Post by Cy Skywalker on Dec 26, 2004 10:02:24 GMT -5
possibly. Maybe you'll have seen one by then.  I just got this book of conspiracies about secret societies..kinda scary really, if you believe it. Like the stuff in The DaVinci Code, if you've read that. |
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Post by MFB on Dec 27, 2004 0:24:32 GMT -5
Excuse me one moment while I rant off-topic.
GAGNESS! The DaVinci code...that's that stupid thing where they said that in the DaVinci painting of the Last Supper, Christ is revealed to have been married to some person right? And furthermore, they claimed it to be one of the Apostles, correct? Double-Gagness. I'm not sure about that, though. I may be mistaking this for a different cult, but I do believe that this is what you speak of. I mean no offense to you at all, Cy, but I cannot stand that code. To me it is joust another of the many insults of modern society to the Crucified One. Another example are the many attempts to exclude Christ from Christmas. I mean if you do that, you only have "mas," lol
I doubt you would believe in that sort of stuff, though. You seem more sensible than that.
Anyways, on-topicness now. In some ways, I believe in extra terrestrials, but in others, I do not. I never imagine that there are others out there, but I don't doubt the possibility. I do know, however, that if there are others in the universe, they must have been created by our Triune God, and thus, must not have a soul or the gift of reason...that is, unless they are akin to ourselves.
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Dec 27, 2004 4:01:05 GMT -5
Ah, here we get on the topic of a soul. Many ppl believe that certain things, shall we call them animals, do not have souls, and this gets me so flamed!! (nothing against u MFB, just giving my perspective.) First of all, I think a soul is just a word. Soul means nothing if it is just said. I can say I have a soul, but do I really know what that is? Do I know how it looks or how it feels? Does anyone know? No. So how we can assign who has souls and who does not I do not know. If by soul u mean the ability to reason and the ability of inteligence, then yes, animals do have that, and I see examples of it everyday. Animals have a very large ability to reason. (something I think most humans lack) Animals can solve complex problems. For Ex. rats can solve mazes, chickens can solve how to get to the highest perch by jumping on to other lower perches first, Predator animals have tactics when hunting. They just don't go after an animal, they think about it and they sneak up or they ambush it. I've also seen my dog save some food for later, because he knew he would get hungry again. Usually animals do little things. I mean u r not going to go out and see an animal solve the cure for cancer, because that is not who they are. It is not important to them. However, thats not to say they aren't intelligent. Each animal is intelligent in it's own way. Many would not hesitate to say that chickens are stupid, but they are not stupid in any way. Their societal structure is among one of the most complex, right up their with humans, wolves and dolphins. They can also be trained to do the same agility course as a dog. U might be wondering though, if they are so smart, why can't I teach them to do this, or why won't they do this for me? Well, the answer to that is very simple; It is not important to them. I'll give u an example that is easy to refer to. If a child thinks s/he has no future, he may not do his HW. U cannot force that child to do his HW, because if s/he does not think it important or vital, they will not do the HW. Another example would be sports. If someone does not want to do sports and does not find them neccessary, they will not do them. They don't need to. It's the same concept with animals. Each animal is smart, but in their own way. Now of course thats not to say some aren't stupid, because I have met some of the stupidest of animals, but it was all in their individual personality. Just because one animal of the species is stupid, does not make them all stupid. Each animal has it's own personality. Everyone is different. If there are five fish in a tank and they all look the same, I could very easily tell each one apart by studying their personalities. Now of course this is an animal lover speaking, along with 16 years of having animals around. I've seen animals do the craziest things, and some of the smartest. If one appreciates an animal for what it is and not what u expect it to be, one will see what I am talking about. However, us being humans, will wantt to think we are the best. This is what gets me the most. We think just because we can talk and build stuff, that we are the greatest, and a lot of times we don't stop to think about the other possiblities. Now I am am a catholic, but I've always had a problem with some of the things they teach. They told us animals do not have souls and that they are all just going to hell because that is where they belong. I was so mad that day after they taught that in sunday school I could not believe they even had the nerve to say that! I have to tell u I argued till the end of class about that one and left the teacher quite speechless. Needless to say, he didn't bring up animals after that. I think sometimes ppl think that since a religion tells someone to believe something, they don't think about what they really believe, because what the church tells us is "always right". I always thought that just b/c u belong to a religion doesn't mean u have to believe everything, it is mostly the idea taht u believe in, but then again, I have always had a problem with religion  I'm not just saying my religion, but religion in general. It is the most fought about and controversial subject in the world. Wars have been fought over it for centuries, and I never could understand why. Could it be that we each think our own god is better then the next person's? A lot of times it makes me sick how we believe we are so much better then the next person. I hate people like that. Srry this is so long. It is not meant towards anyone in particular, it is just a bunch of stuff I've been meaning to say and was never really able to say till now. MFB, u just sparked my mind, so don't take any of this personally. Everyone has their own beliefs and I am one of the few who respects that. Even if u don't agree with what I've said, look at my belief as a different view. I'd love to hear some of everyone else's thoughts on the matter though. Hopefully I don't make any of u guys mad with this post, since I know many of u are very religious. I'm not saying I'm not religious, I just think our annoying christian church is the reason I believe these things. I really don't think all churches are as bad as ours ;D Again, no one take any of this personal. It was just something I wanted to get off my mind, and u guys have pretty open minds so I don't think u guys would mind mind too much Ah my mind feels so much freer now! lol |
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Post by Cy Skywalker on Dec 27, 2004 17:15:52 GMT -5
That's a very good point/paragraph, ss13. I really don't think we're supposed to understand the soul thing...but without information i don't know what to say about it. I belive animals have intelligence and consiousness like people, but in different ways, because that's how they're meant to be. Honestly, if there were two "intelligent" species like us, this planet would have gone up in flames or something long ago. Maybe the animals are supposed to be examples to us. I like the point about the homework too. I vastly know what it's like to deeply not care about something.
The DaVinci code was a good book, in it's literary sense, but i realize that the ideas are fictional. Maybe somebody suspects their real, but i find that that is noy the truth. I just went through the book like people do with sf, suspending disbelief for the story.
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Post by Spazzy on Dec 31, 2004 9:58:41 GMT -5
I will have to read the book sometime... Can you guys like sum it up in like a few short paragraphs, i can't read all of that.. If extraterrestrials really do exist show me proof..
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Dec 31, 2004 12:42:34 GMT -5
Aye, but Cy, the world is slowly being enveloped by flames. Us humans don't need another race to help us destroy our planet. We can do it effectively ourselves....
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Post by Spazzy on Dec 31, 2004 14:12:48 GMT -5
That is just great (being very sarcastic)... I can't think of the world being blown up and things like that... oh great i am goign to start crying..  |
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Post by Chaotic Master Darth Warious on Apr 5, 2005 18:49:11 GMT -5
I am one.
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Apr 5, 2005 20:43:50 GMT -5
*Takes out badge*
"Srry, but I'm with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I'll have to ask you to come with me..."
Roswell here we come!!
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Post by Chaotic Master Darth Warious on Apr 6, 2005 13:57:17 GMT -5
You'll never take me in recodnizable pieces! Hook:  |
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Post by Spazzy on Apr 6, 2005 16:53:29 GMT -5
Okay, some extraterrestrials are cool and some are mean.. I was just watching "Independence Day", it was on TNT.. I figured I would watch it again.. Those extraterrestrials were sooo mean.. Eww, I am glad they dyed..  |
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Post by Chaotic Master Darth Warious on Apr 7, 2005 16:07:53 GMT -5
I'm glad they don't exist any more. Wiped them all out. GO WILL SMITH! I am registered with the MIB agency. *flashes licence*. See? Hook:  |
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Apr 7, 2005 19:35:59 GMT -5
I'm head of the x-files *Whips out better and bigger ID**Smiles like a maniac* I guess this makes me cool....er
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Invader 
. I don't really trust the government though. They seem to know things we don't. 
I just got this book of conspiracies about secret societies..kinda scary really, if you believe it. Like the stuff in The DaVinci Code, if you've read that.
I'm not just saying my religion, but religion in general. It is the most fought about and controversial subject in the world. Wars have been fought over it for centuries, and I never could understand why. Could it be that we each think our own god is better then the next person's? A lot of times it makes me sick how we believe we are so much better then the next person. I hate people like that.
